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Front End Loader

Posted By: T.V.GEIST MFG. I

Front End Loader - 09/12/2020 04:32 PM

I would like to build a front end loader for my Simplicity 7116. Dose anyone have any plans or pictures or anything that would
help me with this builld?
Posted By: bunkclimber

Re: Front End Loader - 09/12/2020 11:42 PM

just for starters, make sure your tractor has the stones for loader operation..a lot of the frames need additional bracing to handle loader stress..a good idea is to run length wise tubing from the front to back to spread the weight stresses out along the frame and transaxle..since you did say it was a Simplicity that you are using, it might be do-able, the 71 series were some pretty stout tractors in the day. Vertical loader mast posts might be 2x4 tubing with 3/16"wall..I'd run my loader arm hinge pin all the way across the machine uprights,maybe use 1" 4140 steel to hinge/support the loader arms..I've had good success with arms made from 1/2"steel plate. 2"bore cylinders are more than enough to lift anything you'll need to be doing with this size tractor. I've used used salvage cylinders in the past,only to have them blow out after using them for a few months..my advice buy your cylinders from Surplus Center,you have a reasonable chance at them lasting a while then..PITA to take apart a newly fabbed machine only to make repairs,I could write a white paper on that itself...you'll get help here at MBN thats for sure..lots of loaders built here.
Posted By: Kevin Werner

Re: Front End Loader - 12/27/2020 09:48 PM

First things first....get a Sovereign with power steering.. cause you are going to wish you had it!
Posted By: sonny

Re: Front End Loader - 12/27/2020 11:16 PM

I would nominate a sunstar 20! ---- power steering on them. hi-lo hydro, turning brakes, AND diffy lock! --- Simp. even offered a loader for this model. I have four 20's and an 18.
A friend of mine has a 7116 and the diffy section is known to shuck gears really bad. I know of 3 of them not far from here that did that, so IF it were me I would choose a little better model for loader and as Kevin said,--power steering is a must!---- makes a whole different game with it.

Another good one would be cadet 147 series, --- BUT no power steering on them. A guy down the road from us had a 147 with a loader on it that he used in his hog sheds. --- The front wheel bearings dont last long under hard use, so that will something to watch and replace them before they go completely out and damage something else.

Which ever model you chose,-- make your loader sub frame long like Bunkclimber says and you wont regret it. ---- these little tractors will generate a lot of torque with a loader on them and things have to withstand it.

here are a few ideas to kick around. --- I like the idea of the trailer stub axles mounted under loader front axles, --- that would end bearing failure in the standard mower axles!

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Posted By: Kevin Werner

Re: Front End Loader - 12/28/2020 01:10 AM

Sonny is right...the Sunstar is a much better starting point. Don't know what I was thinking there.
Posted By: JIM

Re: Front End Loader - 12/28/2020 01:11 AM

built complete new spindles for mine.. those little 5/8 axles wont handle any thing. Using a marine hydraulic helm for the steering. 0 feedback ..your going to need different tires too...
Posted By: Kevin Werner

Re: Front End Loader - 01/09/2021 07:03 PM

If Surplus Center had shipped my Items the day that I placed the order (Last Monday) or even the next day, I'd be out there tinkering away on my loader. But my very early order , made on Monday didn't leave there until Wednesday
As it is, The box sits at the closed Johnstown, PA UPS facility.

Any body have any other suggestions as to where to buy parts & supplies so that in the future I have options ?

Posted By: bunkclimber

Re: Front End Loader - 01/09/2021 10:25 PM

patience my friend,Surplus Center usually fills an order within two days or so,the shipping delays are still going on out there..I bought some quick-connects for the Isuzu generator fuel system on Tuesday and the order wasn't filled and shipped until Thursday that week..not too bad, you are not their only customer..this is why when I order I get multiples of a fitting and put the extras in the hydraulics drawer in my shop,that way I'm not held up for DAYS over a $2.50 hydraulic part that I can't easily get locally. If you have an account with MSC (mscdirect.com) they ship pretty fast and have all manner of industrial parts and supplies onhand in Harrisburg,they usually ship same day for me,I get it next day if shipped UPS Ground. I think you can order by phone with them with a CC as well,don't have to have an account to buy from them..there's always Grainger,too..they ship UPS..just a thought..

Additionally, a loader is one thing for scooping barn s@#$ or hay into a truck or wagon, but excavating equipment is a different build altogether..much stronger components and build heft needed to excavate.. I see farm tractors pushed beyond design limits quite often an they usually wind up with twisted loader towers and bent masts,etc from off-axis attempts at digging..like loading one corner of the bucket into something normally immovable and 1st gear clutch dumps..Can't fix stupid..
Posted By: JIM

Re: Front End Loader - 01/09/2021 11:05 PM

My experience with almost ALL the parts suppliers is at least 2 business days from order date before the order actually ships. If it comes early its a bonus.....
Posted By: sonny

Re: Front End Loader - 01/10/2021 03:45 PM

YA---- ALL of our orders for the last 2 months have been REAL slow getting here too! --- One 2-day postal box took over 3 weeks to get here and was filled/shipped an hour after order was placed. ---- I am afraid things will get worse before they get better.
Most stuff we need is not available local at any price so the wait goes on for everybody.
Posted By: JIM

Re: Front End Loader - 01/11/2021 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by sonny
I would nominate a sunstar 20! ---- power steering on them. hi-lo hydro, turning brakes, AND diffy lock! --- Simp. even offered a loader for this model. I have four 20's and an 18.
A friend of mine has a 7116 and the diffy section is known to shuck gears really bad. I know of 3 of them not far from here that did that, so IF it were me I would choose a little better model for loader and as Kevin said,--power steering is a must!---- makes a whole different game with it.

Another good one would be cadet 147 series, --- BUT no power steering on them. A guy down the road from us had a 147 with a loader on it that he used in his hog sheds. --- The front wheel bearings dont last long under hard use, so that will something to watch and replace them before they go completely out and damage something else.

Which ever model you chose,-- make your loader sub frame long like Bunkclimber says and you wont regret it. ---- these little tractors will generate a lot of torque with a loader on them and things have to withstand it.

here are a few ideas to kick around. --- I like the idea of the trailer stub axles mounted under loader front axles, --- that would end bearing failure in the standard mower axles!


That's what I did for mine. I made the whole mess up. Grade 8 bolts for the kingpins. I originally had bored out a 1" spindle & welded it on the original tractor spindle. Just a couple of loads and they snapped off. Just weren't heavy enough. Welded the bolt in on the spindle and wa-la. Haven't had a problem since.
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Posted By: GLyford

Re: Front End Loader - 01/11/2021 11:08 AM

I did something slightly different on mine, there is a backing plate behind the wheel bushing and a "stop" plate where the pivot bushing rides, I tied them together with a 1/4" gusset. I also bored out a 1" round spindle 5/8 to go over the mower spindle, then welded that on. I didn't have the milling machine then. I have busted other things on the axle (tie rods, basically the entire steering setup, center pivot plates) but haven't killed these yet.

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The thing about doing it your way is that most trailer tires are a little bigger than tractor fronts, and you can set the wheel centers an inch or two higher relative to the axle beam than original to compensate for the difference in wheel rolling diameter. My tractor has a slight tilt to it...
Posted By: JIM

Re: Front End Loader - 01/16/2021 08:22 PM

[quote=GLyford]I did something slightly different on mine, there is a backing plate behind the wheel bushing and a "stop" plate where the pivot bushing rides, I tied them together with a 1/4" gusset. I also bored out a 1" round spindle 5/8 to go over the mower spindle, then welded that on. I didn't have the milling machine then. I have busted other things on the axle (tie rods, basically the entire steering setup, center pivot plates) but haven't killed these yet.

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The thing about doing it your way is that most trailer tires are a little bigger than tractor fronts, and you can set the wheel centers an inch or two higher relative to the axle beam than original to compensate for the difference in wheel rolling diameter. My tractor has a slight tilt to it..Had I welded a little gusset on each axle they may have survived. yours looks exactly what Mine used to look like..... Less the gusset
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