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SLOW PROGRESS #2804 12/24/2021 12:35 PM
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Well I'm not getting much done around here. The mini Hoe is still Broke, Well that's because so is my foot. now the boom on the bucket truck won't behave. My son was changing out some lights in a Sonic road sign and the boom started drifting down. It's always settled some but now it creeps too fast to work on the signs. You should have seen me pulling the boom lift cylinder with a broken foot. I messed with it some in the shop but I'm having issues with the test rig I have. I want to do a pressure test on the cylinder BEFORE I tear it apart for a rebuild. I'm not positive that the problem doesn't exist in the damn control valve. Not leaking any oil around the ram and I usually see that LONG before the seals blow on the piston but never know. Not too sure about this thing on the power end of the cylinder either. I suspect it's a relief valve to protect from over loading the fiberglass boom.

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I've reach out to Versalift for support but they haven't gotten back to me. I'll try calling them next week. Can't find anything online for this antique. I'll have to see if I can get a pic of the data plate that is better But this shows the Mod#, S/N, & MFR date. should be all I need.

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Still Hopping around a bit.
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Got one of these that lets me get around and do some stuff.

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Re: SLOW PROGRESS [Re: JIM] #2807 12/24/2021 03:57 PM
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I'm pretty sure this is a pilot operated check valve. the only thing that makes sense. doesn't seem to be a relief valve Won't know for sure until I can pick up a pressure gage & install it on the hyd pump so I can monitor the pressure. If thats the case, it either stock partially open or I'm definitely blowing by the piston. I'll have to machine a test block to take it out of the system so I can do a proper pressure test of the cylinder.
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Re: SLOW PROGRESS [Re: JIM] #2811 12/24/2021 07:41 PM
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Glad you can hobble around a bit! at least you can look stuff over and get ideas of the problems!
Unless your cylinder is leaking inside past the piston seals,--the check valve could be sticking open or worn out.
The controls in the bucket could possible not be holding too. My Hi-Ranger has some weird valving on it ! Still trying to figure some of it out too. I am not going up in it unless I have a ground person at the bottom controls! I am not too keen on the idea of going up 70 feet and not be able to come down in a safe manner.
From your tag, I would say model # Tel 29B,and possible T under the dark spot. I would say 29 foot model.
F8627 looks like serial # and 2000 could be working pressure of the hyd. system
5 6 86 could be build date and 300 would be bucket capacity load limit.
Just guessing here! LOL! Keep us posted on your progress!


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Re: SLOW PROGRESS [Re: JIM] #2812 12/25/2021 11:21 AM
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That model doesn't come up. But yeah on every thing you said. If you see the plate from the right angle at the light you can read it. I can't find a manual for the model number though. IT's just so damn old it's archived I'm sure.


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I also removed the mechanical control levers at the bucket. All they did was operate switches in the boom so I extended the wire to the bucket and will mount the switches in a watertight box. The linkages were sticky and difficult to operate.


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Jim thats a lock valve,it protects against dropping the load(people bucket)in case of hose or system failure. Unscrew the lock spool(left in photo)and check it for trash or contaiminates..sometimes they get hung up.I had one on a forklift that drove me crazy..speaking of slow progress its so wet and muddy here Im shut down for a while till it all freezes..IF it does..can't do much until I can mobilize over the mud..my small articulated loader fork is still broken down, can't get it to the shop to work on it cause of the mud..aggravating! Best of luck with your recovery

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Yeah... I verified it as just that. Explains why the engine lugs when lowering the boom too. I took it off, took it apart and cleaned it. I'm working on a way to flush the Hyd. system on the truck. Oil looks like Milk & there was a bunch of snot looking crap in the check valve. Pulled the poppet out & cleaned it all out. Gotta figure out how the hell water got in the system. I think Maybe the breather cap isn't sealed where it's screwed to the tank top because it looks wet around it when it's dry..


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Picked up a nice clean barrel today for $20. Going to empty the trucks Hyd. system into it so I can clean out the tank and flush the system and replace the filters. I'm going to try & clean up the oil & reuse it. we'll see how that goes. I figure if I heat it up, I should be able to get the water out of it. wish I had one of those lube oil purifiers we had on Submarines. Make that stuff like new just about.


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Sounds like you are gaining on it! Ya, that oil is contaminated with something for sure. Some oils do pick up water and get nasty even in a good vented system. Air moving in and out of the breathers will at some point in time make the oil bad.
The only model I can find is a TEL 29 N unit and nothing for the B unit. They might be close to the same.
Speaking of an old unit,----my Hi-Ranger is on an 84 F-700 truck and I would assume the bucket unit could be the same year so parts/info/manuals for these units are hard to find. I did get a manual for mine from an e-bay seller, so lucked out on that one.


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Originally Posted by JIM
wish I had one of those lube oil purifiers we had on Submarines. Make that stuff like new just about.


Sounds like your next project..grab one of your spent refrigerant cans, weld a couple legs on to support it, a small 120V water heater element and some pipe bungs welded into the can and a filter or two and you should be good to go. Then again, oil isnt that expensive just yet..but wait till this summer..buy it now

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I was thinking more of a turkey cooker pot to cook off the water, then I can filter the hot oil to remove suspended particulates.
Been laid up for two months now. everything is expensive when you don't have any income. I need to figure out exactly how much oil the darn thing holds. At a minimum I need to clean this stuff up enough to flush out the system. I'll consider buying new oil when I'm back to work. I'm really hoping that cleaning out the check valve fixed the problem. I really hate putting the ram back in without testing it somehow. that's what I'm working on as well as fixing the oil situation. I gotta go through all my shit & see if I have a pump that will handle the Hot oil to filter it. I'll have to see if I have any pumps from fryer filter machines that I can doctor up enough to use. those are designed to handle 400 degree oil. I know I have a pump but not sure about the motor that goes with it.


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Turkey pot should do for the heater part. For the filter,----how about a remote spin-on filter unit off of an old industrial motor, or something from a used parts yard.
For the pump, any small hydraulic pump would work. Belt drive it to isolate the heat for a while. set the pump and motor on a temporary board with a long belt then motor would be away from the heat. ---- just thinking out loud here!! LOL!


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got as much oil out of the tank as I could with the barrel pump. looks like around 25 gal. That's a shit load of oil. I sure hope I can clean it up. I still have to get the cap off the drain & finish emptying the tank. figure there's at least 2 gal left in there. going to fit in a ball valve for future use. still waiting on fittings so I can close loop the lines to the boom ram & flush them prior to reinstalling the cylinder.


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Gotta wonder where the hell the oil came from to get this crap in the strainer. Had to pull it out to get the barrel pump in the tank.
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want to figure out a way to load test the cylinder prior to putting it back in. hate to go through all that just to find out I really do have to rebuild it. ANY good ideas? thought about putting it under the back of the RV but I'm sure that wouldn't end up well. Got no way to keep it in place. ( the RV that is) sure it will swing left or right.


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why not put the cylinder on the ground and hydraulic pressure charge one side at a time at full extension and retract

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I've done that, but in order to actually verify that the piston isn't leaking by I need to put a weight load on the ram somehow. the way that pilot operated stop/check valve is mounted doesn't allow testing in both directions with an open vent on the return side. I can power it in and out all day long but without actually loading the cylinder I'm not verifying that the piston doesn't leak by. I'm waiting on fittings and gages so I can see if the pressure bleeds off a lot when I center the control valve at the end of the stroke each way. the lack of fittings & gages or means of loading the cylinder is keeping me from moving forward at this point.


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Also I wonder if your master valve is leaking?
Cylinder internal leaking would be best under load,--BUT with it extended fully and up against relief pressure with gauges hooked up and watch how fast it drops could tell a little.
IF you had a simple stand to set the cylinder in then hooked under the rv that would work to hold it from tipping.


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I have a plan now for testing for internal leak by. I'll put the cylinder in my press and run it up to the ram. then I'll try to collapse the cylinder with the press if it moves, I have an internal leak if it doesn't, I'll consider it good.
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got a pump. managed to scrape enough parts together from multiple doners to get one whole pump.
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well I managed to get two pumps put together.

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Only one motor though. windings were cooked in the second one. So I have what I need to circulate HOT oil. these are fryer filter pumps they retail for $1300 and are rated for 500 degrees. fryers are normally kept at 350 and don't expect to exceed 250. Just want it hot enough to flash off the water. Hyd oil flash point is around 500. I should be good. 250 is Normal op temp on Submarine Hyd systems so it shouldn't degrade the oil due to temp either.
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Couldn't find the bolts for the motor. I need to dig some more. I was able to test run it by clamping the motor together. 10-32 x 7.
I should have two sets of motor bolts there, the motors were both in the same place.


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going to go to tractor supply tomorrow & get a filter assy. for the pump. Going to put it on the suction side to protect the pump.


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Hey! the press idea will work! Glad you have the pumps on go. I know it takes time and a lot of riggin but thats what we do! Right?


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Didn't fit in the press. used the pull back ram with my portapower. Piston seals are SHOT


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got the pump all together with the filter on the suction side. just got to get a section of 1/2" hose for the discharge side I'll update on the cylinder tomorrow. getting ready to go to friends for the evening to ring in the New year.

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looks like the beginnings of a great little petro kidney package Jim

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Just need to mount it to a board or something now and maybe put a switch ion it for easier operation.


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got the piston out of the cylinder. seals are shot for sure. Now I just have to find replacements.
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I had to modify a hose spanner to make it be a pin spanner so I could get the end cap off the cylinder. 30 + years old so it was a bit of a fight to get out.

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Cylinder had some light rust on the wall. pretty much wiped off and it looks like it's just some discoloration. I'm going to try & run a hone through it and see what it looks like. doubt I would ever find a replacement cylinder. it's got 1 1/2" ram and pins. everything I can find in in that size range only has 1" pins. if it doesn't look like i can make it work, I'll have to take it to one of two hydraulic repair shops and see if I can afford to have it refurbished. I don't use the truck very much so If I can clean it up with a hone & make it work That would be great. finding the right seals is going to be fun. Also have to make an extension for the cylinder hone. it only makes it about halfway down the cylinder.
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found something. time to dig out the Mics
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I have the PDF file these came from if anyone wants or needs it.


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Hoop there it is.

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Lookin good Jim!! Ya that old seal is gone for sure. Glad you could match it up,---makes life a lot simpler that way.
I made some crude spanners for my Case skidloader and bigger ones for the Case 580 ck backhoe. They worked but were crude at best.


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well with this chart I didn't need to measure much. I have a 3 1/2" bore. Only one seal on the list is in the range.
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Think I'm going to try & get a burner assy. out of this griddle and use it for my oil heater. It's natural gas and I have natural out at my shop.
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One of those burners should be Just the right size to fit under this nice pan. It's out of a Taylor shake machine so It's a nice stainless pan. Think it holds 8 gal. can't remember for sure. I've been using it to soak parts in degreaser. The water line in the pan is the 5-gal mark. I mixed water base concentrate to 5 gal. Can't keep solvents at the warehouse I rent. If you heat that stuff up to about 140, it works really well. cold water base degreaser isn't worth crap.
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I know a lot about a lot of things BUT I still have a lot to learn.
Life is what you make of it. So, why not make a working machine to make it easier.
Re: SLOW PROGRESS [Re: JIM] #2974 02/09/2022 11:01 PM
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Sooo... my posting about my progress is slower than the actual progress. Here's the boil down rig.

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I know a lot about a lot of things BUT I still have a lot to learn.
Life is what you make of it. So, why not make a working machine to make it easier.
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