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Old South-Bend lathe #128
02/07/2019 03:53 PM
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Old South-Bend lathe

I don't quite have this set up yet, but all I need to do is hang the jack-shaft and install a motor. I think it requires a reversible one, but not sure. thanks; sonny

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Re: Old South-Bend lathe [Re: sonny] #130
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I have an old Sheldon lathe and the motor is reversible with a reversing switch. By the way nice lathe.

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The bed and ways are tight on this one. most I have seen are worn out. I don't think this one ever saw much use, OR was well cared for. I will have to learn how to use it, as I am a torch/welder/grinder guy! thanks; sonny


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Re: Old South-Bend lathe [Re: sonny] #135
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Sonny, check out the way I set my F E Reed up so it's stand alone. I didn't want to have to have a shaft mounted to the overhead and I did want to be able to relocate the machine if I so desired without having to redo the drive. this lathe came with TWO shafts and I combined them to get the end result.

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I can try and get you some better pictures if you want.


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That is a nice setup! great pix. of it! I might have to look mine over and see if I can do that to it. Don't think that I will ever move mine, BUT I am usually wrong! lol! I have never used a lathe before, so will have to do some practice cuts on it. It did come with some tooling, (big box of stuff) and a big rotary table, (don't think that goes to a lathe) and a big 4-jaw chuck that don't fit my mounts. I was told that it could be adapted. Also was told that the 3-jaw is better due to it's easier to set up. This is all new to me! thanks; sonny


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Originally Posted by sonny
That is a nice setup! great pix. of it! I might have to look mine over and see if I can do that to it. Don't think that I will ever move mine, BUT I am usually wrong! lol! I have never used a lathe before, so will have to do some practice cuts on it. It did come with some tooling, (big box of stuff) and a big rotary table, (don't think that goes to a lathe) and a big 4-jaw chuck that don't fit my mounts. I was told that it could be adapted. Also was told that the 3-jaw is better due to it's easier to set up. This is all new to me! thanks; sonny

The machine will run smoother as a stand alone too.


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sonny I had the smaller version of this lathe,in a 36"bed..I had a 1hp motor on mine with the Southbend reduction pulleys..Id say put at least a 2hp or better motor on this one,you want it slow..maybe a transmission from a car to slow it down..ive seen that setup and it worked good...this lathe has babbit bearings on the headstock make sure you oil them or fill the cups prior to running it..hope they are in good shape..find a good level spot to plant it,you dont want to be moving it around a lot..a little cleaning up with some paint thinner and paint she'll be a star in the shop..I found a must have is a good florescent or LED light closely above it makes for easier reading of a mike and to see what you are doing...or undoing

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The bearings are nice and tight. That's kinda why I invested in it! Guess the motor should be reversing type too! thanks; sonny


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Keep an oil can at hand. I use straight 30 weight on mine. Yes you want a reversible motor for sure. I have a 2HP on mine and wish I had a little more umph but I have power feeds on mine and it doesn't look like that one does. What do your jack shaft parts look like?


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Looking at your picture again. Looks as if you have some level of auto feed with the half nut.


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I will try to get pic. of jack-shaft!----I think there is a half nut down under there, it has a long screw running along the front side.


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Looks like it is set up for loose change gears, which is fine if you don't mind taking the time.

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Originally Posted by GLyford
Looks like it is set up for loose change gears, which is fine if you don't mind taking the time.

it's fine if you have them... I'm wishing I had more. I'm limited to 4 threads due to lack of gears.


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I don't have any other gears, only what's on the machine.


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That's where I'm at.. Only an issue if you want to cut threads. Doesn't affect any thing else.
Well at least on my F.E. REED.



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If you get a close up of the carriage we can probably give you better info on you abilities with that machine.. You can do every thing I can with mine you just have turn the cranks manually.


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Waiting for this dang wind to lay so I can get a couple more pix. of it. I have to go to the doctor's office to have lab's. taken, again, don't know what that's all about> when I get back, I will get a light on the lathe and get some pix. while I am out!


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This is a pic. of the short line shaft vee to flat drive.
[Linked Image]20190213_152248 by sonny reese, on Flickr

the feed screw
[Linked Image]20190213_152308 by sonny reese, on Flickr

the gear set
[Linked Image]20190213_152529 by sonny reese, on Flickr

the tag on the front. there are no other tags or numbers on the machine that I can find.

[Linked Image]20190213_152425 by sonny reese, on Flickr

the chuck, guess it is a 4 jaw, the other one that came with it must be the 3 jaw.

[Linked Image]20190213_152355 by sonny reese, on Flickr
there are a couple more pix. on flickr thanks; sonny

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Yeah you definitely have The thread cutting. Some time when its warmer and you can see with better light get the numbers off the gears. al least you'll know what you have. I personally would cut the short line shaft shorter, replace the old babbit bearings with pillow blocks and set it up like I did. I also personally prefer the 4 jaw chuck. takes a little more time to find center BUT you can find center with anything. with a 3 jaw chuck ...once you chuck it stays. if you take it out and put it back it'll be out... just my personal experience.


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I have an 18X122 inch American made in 1889. Very similar just bigger. My 4 jaw was plate mounted so I found a 3 jaw that had been run loose and ruined the mounting taper. I chucked it up and faced the back of the 3 jaw flush, turned it around, chucked it back up, put a ground wrist pin in the 3 jaw and dialed that in. Now I usually use the 3 jaw chucked up in the 4 jaw and have the use of the 4 if I need it.
I have a 4 speed Drive-All gearbox instead of the upper stepped pulleys and it does well. A 4 speed transmission would do fine too. I really needed to blow my lathe apart and clean out oil holes and hone some scarred shaft bores. It was going to be a winter project (nice and close to the wood stove) but life got real and that was that.
That's a nice old lathe there, the old machines have a lot of soul. 100 years from now I doubt there will be many Chinese machines around...……
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MY lathe was originally set up something like this. Two belts came from the main shaft to the jackshaft. one was twisted to get reverse. Both pulleys free spun on the shaft. The clutch was a cone that was keyed to the shaft but slid side to side. center was neutral so you could change speeds. this is actually a condensed version. I had another idler shaft that was driven by the jack shaft. the idler shaft had the step pulley on it. I think that was done to locate the clutch assy over the bed to help keep the operator out of the moving belts
[Linked Image]

I super condensed it added a reversible motor and attached it to the Lathe.

[Linked Image]


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My old Hendey was set up with the drive-all on a frame. It only had one of the three sets of change gears feeding into the quick change so I only had one "row" of the thread chart. Eventually had problems with the carriage feed rack gear and the back gear.

Got a sweet deal on an Enco 12x30 from my brother in law, so now the Hendey is out sitting by the driveway until I can either get someone to scrap it or someone wants it. Had it on craigslist but people only wanted the cast legs.

South Bends have a keyway down the length of the leadscrew. The leadscrew threads move the carriage directly with the half nuts. There will also be a way to drive the carriage with the keyway turning the feed wheel which engages the rack gear. Usually a finer feed than the threads. I think the star wheel engages this feed. DO NOT engage both the feed and the half nuts, unless you want to strip out the half nuts or break a gear.

There is a book published by South Bend "How to run a lathe" that has a ton of good basic info. You can find reprints from Lindsay on ebay or amazon, or just download it:
http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/1617/3789.pdf

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I got the pdf downloaded, and will print it out when I get a chance. Thanks for the link, it's very helpful info! Need all the help I can get, as I never had a chance to use a metal lathe before! ( I use a wood lathe all the time. Metal is different)


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Originally Posted by sonny
I got the pdf downloaded, and will print it out when I get a chance. Thanks for the link, it's very helpful info! Need all the help I can get, as I never had a chance to use a metal lathe before! ( I use a wood lathe all the time. Metal is different)

Originally Posted by GLyford
My old Hendey was set up with the drive-all on a frame. It only had one of the three sets of change gears feeding into the quick change so I only had one "row" of the thread chart. Eventually had problems with the carriage feed rack gear and the back gear.

Got a sweet deal on an Enco 12x30 from my brother in law, so now the Hendey is out sitting by the driveway until I can either get someone to scrap it or someone wants it. Had it on craigslist but people only wanted the cast legs.

South Bends have a keyway down the length of the leadscrew. The leadscrew threads move the carriage directly with the half nuts. There will also be a way to drive the carriage with the keyway turning the feed wheel which engages the rack gear. Usually a finer feed than the threads. I think the star wheel engages this feed. DO NOT engage both the feed and the half nuts, unless you want to strip out the half nuts or break a gear.

There is a book published by South Bend "How to run a lathe" that has a ton of good basic info. You can find reprints from Lindsay on ebay or amazon, or just download it:
http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/1617/3789.pdf

I actually have a paperback copy of that book some where.


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I would love to get my hands on one of the setups we had on Subs. Southbend 10" with a taper attachment and a versa mill. I made gears and everything with that rig. spent a lot of my off duty time in machinery 1 Lower level just playing. really not a lot to do with spare time on a submarine. I was Lucky ... Had toys to play with.

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